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	<title>Comments on: Kohler Cimarron Complete Solution Toilet K-11451 Review</title>
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		<title>By: Redwood</title>
		<link>http://411plumb.com/kohler-cimarron-complete-solution-toilet-k-11451-review/comment-page-1#comment-2359</link>
		<dc:creator>Redwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carol.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I know for sure that if we have problems it will go back pronto . . . we won’t wait five years and suffer through multiple flushings, holding the handle down for a long period of time or keeping the plunger nearby for each job. A toilet is one of those things and when running well then you don’t notice it, but if running poorly can make your life a tad miserable!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. 
Considering the amount of time a toilet stays in a home without being changed out.
Most go through several homeowners and people own them longer than a car.
The importance of selecting a good one cannot be overstated yet most people don&#039;t even think about it.

Redwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carol.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I know for sure that if we have problems it will go back pronto . . . we won’t wait five years and suffer through multiple flushings, holding the handle down for a long period of time or keeping the plunger nearby for each job. A toilet is one of those things and when running well then you don’t notice it, but if running poorly can make your life a tad miserable!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.<br />
Considering the amount of time a toilet stays in a home without being changed out.<br />
Most go through several homeowners and people own them longer than a car.<br />
The importance of selecting a good one cannot be overstated yet most people don&#8217;t even think about it.</p>
<p>Redwood</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Tennant</title>
		<link>http://411plumb.com/kohler-cimarron-complete-solution-toilet-k-11451-review/comment-page-1#comment-2358</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Tennant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Redwood,

I agree about mileage may vary.  The video I watched from one person was quite helpful, although at first I thought it looked a little disgusting until he explained it was salt and pepper and not what I was thinking it was!  It would be helpful if more people could do that and we could watch individual ones.  A visual aid seems to get the message across quite good.  At Home Depot the woman explained that they test the toilets by flushing beans down them which I would think would be a little different texture than what we provide, unless of course they were already cooked. (Hmmm now I&#039;m thinking TMI.)

I was also wondering if some change had been made to the toilet design OR maybe the vitreous china batch had been too coarse?  I went and watched ours a couple of times and it does flush down the back.

I know for sure that if we have problems it will go back pronto . . . we won&#039;t wait five years and suffer through multiple flushings, holding the handle down for a long period of time or keeping the plunger nearby for each job.  A toilet is one of those things and when running well then you don&#039;t notice it, but if running poorly can make your life a tad miserable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Redwood,</p>
<p>I agree about mileage may vary.  The video I watched from one person was quite helpful, although at first I thought it looked a little disgusting until he explained it was salt and pepper and not what I was thinking it was!  It would be helpful if more people could do that and we could watch individual ones.  A visual aid seems to get the message across quite good.  At Home Depot the woman explained that they test the toilets by flushing beans down them which I would think would be a little different texture than what we provide, unless of course they were already cooked. (Hmmm now I&#8217;m thinking TMI.)</p>
<p>I was also wondering if some change had been made to the toilet design OR maybe the vitreous china batch had been too coarse?  I went and watched ours a couple of times and it does flush down the back.</p>
<p>I know for sure that if we have problems it will go back pronto . . . we won&#8217;t wait five years and suffer through multiple flushings, holding the handle down for a long period of time or keeping the plunger nearby for each job.  A toilet is one of those things and when running well then you don&#8217;t notice it, but if running poorly can make your life a tad miserable!</p>
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		<title>By: Redwood</title>
		<link>http://411plumb.com/kohler-cimarron-complete-solution-toilet-k-11451-review/comment-page-1#comment-2357</link>
		<dc:creator>Redwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carol,

As always some people like a product that others don&#039;t. 
Why I can&#039;t say I guess it can be summed up as YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary). 
I only repeat the numerous complaints I have heard about a lack of bowl wash in the back portion of the bowl.
Which I agree with because of the lack of holes under the rim at the rear portion of the bowl.
Obviously the two comments above yours found the bowl wash to be inadequate.
I can also say I have had the pleasure of auguring a clogged Cimarron toilet as well.
I have found personally that the installation was a breeze with the unique bracket that Kohler uses to attach the tank to the bowl but I can also see that the bracket may be a headache when replacing the fill valve if that is ever required.

Redwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carol,</p>
<p>As always some people like a product that others don&#8217;t.<br />
Why I can&#8217;t say I guess it can be summed up as YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary).<br />
I only repeat the numerous complaints I have heard about a lack of bowl wash in the back portion of the bowl.<br />
Which I agree with because of the lack of holes under the rim at the rear portion of the bowl.<br />
Obviously the two comments above yours found the bowl wash to be inadequate.<br />
I can also say I have had the pleasure of auguring a clogged Cimarron toilet as well.<br />
I have found personally that the installation was a breeze with the unique bracket that Kohler uses to attach the tank to the bowl but I can also see that the bracket may be a headache when replacing the fill valve if that is ever required.</p>
<p>Redwood</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Tennant</title>
		<link>http://411plumb.com/kohler-cimarron-complete-solution-toilet-k-11451-review/comment-page-1#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Tennant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just bought our Cimarron at Home Depot and haven&#039;t had any of the problems you mention.  We&#039;ve had it a couple of weeks and so far no problem like you have mentioned.  I googled around a bit to see what people are saying and one person showed trying to flush salt and pepper, which is a rather odd choice as pepper will stick to the glass on a glass of water.  Another said it flooded the bathroom after clogging, which is rather unusual as well as ours doesn&#039;t use enough water to fllood.  It does seem to be a very good flusher and our bowl remains clean.  Some people said it took 2 or 3 hours to install and installed very easily.  My husband had no complaints about the installation but it didn&#039;t take more than an hour.  We replaced an American Standard after five years of problems.  We bought 3 American Standards and have tried this one to see how it goes and so far so good.  The American Standard we bought appears to not be for sale any more at Home Depot so they must&#039;ve just taken it off the market; we were going to do a review on it but can&#039;t find it on their website anymore.  Since our recent bought of homework on toilets we have found out about the MaP rating and our last one had a score of 300 which is very poor.  The Cimarron has a MaP score of 1000 and seems to &#039;take it all&#039; with no residue left behind.  It&#039;s definitely a good low-flow toilet and we will are going to replace the remaining two toilets with the Cimarron in the next month or so if no issues crop up.  We were told at Home Depot that if we were not happy with it to return it with the receipt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just bought our Cimarron at Home Depot and haven&#8217;t had any of the problems you mention.  We&#8217;ve had it a couple of weeks and so far no problem like you have mentioned.  I googled around a bit to see what people are saying and one person showed trying to flush salt and pepper, which is a rather odd choice as pepper will stick to the glass on a glass of water.  Another said it flooded the bathroom after clogging, which is rather unusual as well as ours doesn&#8217;t use enough water to fllood.  It does seem to be a very good flusher and our bowl remains clean.  Some people said it took 2 or 3 hours to install and installed very easily.  My husband had no complaints about the installation but it didn&#8217;t take more than an hour.  We replaced an American Standard after five years of problems.  We bought 3 American Standards and have tried this one to see how it goes and so far so good.  The American Standard we bought appears to not be for sale any more at Home Depot so they must&#8217;ve just taken it off the market; we were going to do a review on it but can&#8217;t find it on their website anymore.  Since our recent bought of homework on toilets we have found out about the MaP rating and our last one had a score of 300 which is very poor.  The Cimarron has a MaP score of 1000 and seems to &#8216;take it all&#8217; with no residue left behind.  It&#8217;s definitely a good low-flow toilet and we will are going to replace the remaining two toilets with the Cimarron in the next month or so if no issues crop up.  We were told at Home Depot that if we were not happy with it to return it with the receipt.</p>
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		<title>By: Gord Domm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gord Domm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James have you solved that awful problem with your Cimarron? 
Have Koehler given you some sort of response for a solution to this problem?
Are you using it upstairs or downstairs? Ours would be used downstairs which could cause an even bigger problem than if it were used upstairs. 

After doing our due-diligence research we were on our way out the door to pick ours up when I read your evaluation on my last internet search so I guess we are going to look for something else.

Thanks
Gord</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James have you solved that awful problem with your Cimarron?<br />
Have Koehler given you some sort of response for a solution to this problem?<br />
Are you using it upstairs or downstairs? Ours would be used downstairs which could cause an even bigger problem than if it were used upstairs. </p>
<p>After doing our due-diligence research we were on our way out the door to pick ours up when I read your evaluation on my last internet search so I guess we are going to look for something else.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Gord</p>
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		<title>By: gay gilchrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>gay gilchrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Cimarron new is perfectly disappointing!!! The K-3609 or Complete Solution K-11451 is listed as WaterSense for rebates in many areas. But the clean bowl reviews are awful!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Cimarron new is perfectly disappointing!!! The K-3609 or Complete Solution K-11451 is listed as WaterSense for rebates in many areas. But the clean bowl reviews are awful!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Siebel</title>
		<link>http://411plumb.com/kohler-cimarron-complete-solution-toilet-k-11451-review/comment-page-1#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>James A. Siebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I replaced an old American Standard Working toilet with the Kohler Cimarron for more modern appearance and quality.
I also have several other Kohler toilets and are happy with them.
The Cimarron, however, is beyond question the worst toilet I have ever owned.
It doesn&#039;t properly flush the bowl.  In most cases, after flushing, it must be wiped out and flushed at least once again.
Kohler should be ashamed to sell such an inferior product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I replaced an old American Standard Working toilet with the Kohler Cimarron for more modern appearance and quality.<br />
I also have several other Kohler toilets and are happy with them.<br />
The Cimarron, however, is beyond question the worst toilet I have ever owned.<br />
It doesn&#8217;t properly flush the bowl.  In most cases, after flushing, it must be wiped out and flushed at least once again.<br />
Kohler should be ashamed to sell such an inferior product.</p>
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